The good news is that, while I’d like everyone involved to be aware of these concerns, we need people handling all sorts of tasks. You can do so much in your local community simply talking to the people you know. Along those lines, I recommend avoiding the topic of 9/11 entirely and focusing more on reinforcing the notion that the government lies to us and that it shouldn’t be alright. If you get people thinking more skeptically, they will be far more prepared and willing to consider lies about the attack.

Glad to have you posting here. We keep hoping more people in the movement will begin to appreciate our intent to be a responsible first reference on the issue. We really aren’t trying to compete with anyone. We built the site to be something different.

Thanks.

There hasn’t been a functional or cohesive movement for 9/11 truth since 2004. I got involved in 2005 just in time to watch WAC and the ‘scholars’ turn it from a movement about history and justice into a movement about paranoid delusions and the physical evidence. My involvement since that time has been largely consumed by the attempt to preserve the strength of character the movement had at it’s peak. A failing effort, possibly with the exception of this site. Jon Gold also carries that torch well.

Bottom line: We have had all the most important evidence since 2004. There have been few if any revelations since that time which would make our case for a new investigation any stronger. Certainly not the reasonably disputed significance of nano-thermite.

And since that time, those with leadership roles in the movement have become those who both focus greatly on physical evidence and subscribe to the ‘big tent’ strategy.

The movement requires leadership based on a meritocracy of trust, intellect, and strategic insight. What we have now are charlatans, infiltrators, and well intended but strategically naive intellectuals.

And then there are the very few who ‘get it.’ Those who have some awareness of the history of social movements. Those who are savvy about infiltration. Those who understand the the requirements of reaching our skeptical target audience. Those people are my peers. And we tend to be more influential than our numbers would imply. But we aren’t recognized or respected as leaders.

Quite the opposite. For all my effort to keep the train on it’s tracks, I’m most often been called ‘disloyal’, ‘elitist,’ or just called an agent. So has Cosmos. So has Victoria Ashley. So has Jon Gold. The very people with the greatest insight into this movement are those least respected for their willingness to be honest.

How does that square with the supposed aims of this movement? The truth of the truth movement is not optional.

Sorry, you got me venting. Hope I answered your question.

BTW, you can use the nested reply function. Just click ‘reply’ under the comment you want to respond to.

— I think all three hold the same weight, with, ultimately a necessity for some kind of reconciliation, in our lifetimes (or, maybe, yours), tied to the concept of “justice,” in order for this culture to have a hope of ever being psychologically clear on this issue — and I keep pondering what the concept of “justice” for these crimes would mean v/v the immense sense of outrage and betrayal that would be felt in this culture already pumped up and bought-into the idea that blowing someone, anyone, away, is the only answer, if the truth was revealed suddenly in some way to make it undeniable to the general populace )… but without a ground of — and recognition of — and an emphasis upon — fastidiously researched, quantifiable evidence first, the rest of the process (even a plodding long-term process of justice/reconciliation, and an enlightened view of history) just ain’t gonna happen… I mean, ok, ok, it’s all a long-shot, anyway, but… I’m looking at the truth movement as process that is at one time or another going to be unbalanced in the direction of one or the other of the issues you mentioned, evidence, justice, history. Obviously shifts will occcur in one direction or the other; as the events of the past week show, we’re still deep in the process, but withouut an emphasis on quantifiable evidence we don’t have anything, much, to offer..

I’ve lost a couple of friends over the years who served in the military and came back parroting every national security talking point. I do understand that they can’t feel guilty for the people they or their buddies killed. That they want to feel like what they’ve lost is worth it. And you do lose something inside yourself fighting in war. But that doesn’t mean you have to become a total ditto head.

You are supposed to feel ashamed which is exactly and really the only reason I call this a movement anymore. I certainly don’t share the same goals with most of those involved, caught up in evidence instead of justice and history, but I do share the status of pariah. I know your actions are justified and important. Frankly, I’m embarrassed to claim association with the movement. But don’t blink clarifying what I know about history.

Blaming the “U.S. Government” is overly general, even in the realm of reasonable speculation. We have reason to suspect collusion between elements inside our government and foreign intelligence agencies via privately contracted agents providing plausible deniability to all those at high levels. In other words, we can’t know exactly who pulled it off. Acting like we know really turns people off that might otherwise listen to our case.

And saying people who don’t know about our concerns are ‘dumb’ is exactly backward. 9/11 truth is an educational movement dedicated to informing people. You don’t build a bridge with insults. I know it can be alienating to invest in something that most people consider crazy. But don’t forget we are trying to reach those few who CAN learn about the truth.

Finally, the whole Bin Laden situation may not have been what we thought, and we certainly have very little information to go on. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to talk about what we don’t know and why that’s a problem. And I think we have reason to be skeptical about why he was buried at sea. But I’m not surprised to hear that he was alive or that he’s been killed. Being used as a pawn till the very end.

I’m sure you’re a reasonable guy. I’m just recommending that we not let our frustration get the best of us.

That’s exactly it provchen… I don’t believe the “soap opera” and I know in my heart it’s not true and I’ve researched and ask the questions, if only to myself (and for fear of retaliation). I know that there is something very sketchy that lead to the events of 9/11. But, I also know, when voicing the concerns, the questions to friends and relatives, I get a very strong reaction of disapproval and “how could I possibly believe that our own government could do something like that” and “what about the soldiers fighting for our country?” And I say my heart is heavy when I think of those poor men and women loosing their lives IN VEIN! They are fighting for blood money and black gold.

There is no patriotism in fighting a NON WAR. Our men and women are programmed into believing they are fighting for democracy, for peace and to avenge 9/11! Than what the hell did Saddam Hussane (SH) have to do with it? If we are to believe all is true, and Osama Bin Laden (UBL) was the master mine of 9/11, and UBL ordered the planes into the towers, not SH, so why was it necessary to hunt SH down and kill him for the 9/11 attacks?

Truly sad. I believe in the conspiracy as much as they believe in the war. How do you debate that with people that are of such an ingrained opinion. I am ashamed to voice the questions and point out the discrepancies.

On 9/11 US government committed a mass murder of thousands of its own citizens, that’s the bitter truth. And all the rest was just a game of manipulation. Its aim was to provide more power to certain political forces, tied up to the world’s biggest bankers. The whole issue enabled so called “war on terror”. As a result, people were deprived of many of their civil rights, and were economically robbered, not only in the US. There are millions of evidences on the web. People must be really dumb not to notice them. But that’s the thing: they are already made to feel ashamed for thinking, or believing something “wrong”.

Osama is, and has always been just a scary puppet. Just a CIA agent, playing his part, ruled from Washington and Langley. The whole Al-Qaeda is invented in CIA and made of “former” CIA agents.
And here is finally the end of this ungainly drama. Most likely “Obama” is now doing perfectly well, preparing for his next mission after some plastic surgery. All Washington-CIA tandem needed, was a few fake “evidences” of his “death”, and a fast sea “burial”.

And by the way, I get sick of those aggressively propagandistic pictures I see these days, posted everywhere. They prove nothing, but only try to make me feel what I’m “supposed” to feel. Well, don’t take trouble, CIA-guys. Save your Photoshop skills.