Comments on: Bob McIlvaine and Tony Szamboti on Rosie O'Donnell Show

By: Marianna

Marianna — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 07:25:04 +0000

Yes!! Exactly! I wrote the note above in response to the written summary of Rosie’s show, before Jon posted the audio of the show… but if you listen to the caller’s detailed description of what it felt like to be in the building that day, apparently at the moment the second plane hit: “the building shook,” “the elevator shafts moved (!),” “very powerful & very strong,” “felt it all over the building,” “glass flying,” “glass in our heads,” “it sucked air out of the area,” and the movement of the building gave her “a funny feeling, like when an elevator drops a little bit, a funny feeling in the stomach, like your insides going up,” NONE of THAT would have been caused by a plane flying into another building that high up and that far away from Building 7. That sounds more like an explosion somewhere in the building, doesn’t it? And didn’t Barry Jennings attest to explosions (I’m just about finished reading David Ray Griffin’s WTC7 book, in which he details Jennings’ experience, as recorded by Dylan Avery and reported by the Independent on September 13) — even an explosion that occurred just as (he assumed) the second plane hit? What Jennings said was that there were explosions : “Under us…yeah, definitely under us,” “It blew us back” — He told about discovering the 6th floor stair landing having been blown out while they were trying to run down, and the lobbly having been blown out at some point between the time he’d entered the building and the time he was led out of the building “through a hole in the wall.” The story in The Independent even mentions that he felt an explosion that “rocked the building” that he assumed was when the second plane hit — same as the caller… That’s why I think this call is so interesting…just possibly a little gem of unwitting testimony. Maybe not… maybe she’s scamming, but I don’t think so…

Another thing I noticed in the caller’s audio “testimony” was that… at around the same time workers in the Towers were being told to go back to their offices, or not to leave (between the time the first plane hit and the second plane hit)…according to the caller, the workers at the SEC were being collected by the Secret Service and 1). evacuated to a mezzanine part of the building to await further instructions, and then 2.) (sometime after the second plane hit), spirited out “some kind of garage exit.” According to Barry Jennings’ account, the OEM was completely vacant (and appeared to have been abruptly vacated) by the time he and Michael Hess got there, shortly before the second plane hit. And Jennings, upon calling someone with the City to get some direction, was told to “leave and leave right away!!!” So… why did the workers in Building 7 (or at least the workers in the OEM and the SEC) get evacuated immediately, when the building hadn’t been hit by an airplane, and wouldn’t have appeared to have been in that much imminent danger, when at the same time there were so many mixed messages regarding evacuation in the Towers (which HAD been hit by airplanes, DID have fires, and were CLEARY in imminent danger) — what did “the deciders” who evacuated Building 7 — and the city officials Jennings called — know that the people in the Towers never caught wind of….

By: Victoria

Victoria — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 03:17:53 +0000

>>One caller worked in the WTC at the Securities and Exchange Commission and was there on 9/11. . . She was in Building 7 that day and said when the second plane hit there was definitely structural damage done. She said glass came flying in and the impact of the plane was very powerful even when it didn’t hit the building.

Fascinating that an SEC worker who happened to witness “structural damage” in B7 also happened to be listening to Rosie’s show . . . and be willing to call in . . . Rosie must have a huge audience! I guess that’s good news. But as it turns out, glass flying and blast waves would be unlikely to cause meaningful structural damage, however extreme the situation might have seemed from her point of view.

By: Marianna

Marianna — Sun, 21 Nov 2010 02:56:02 +0000

I have often wondered about the experiences of persons who worked for the tenants of WTC 7 (in particular the “private” tenants such as Citigroup and the Hartford). It’s interesting to read the SEC employee’s take. If this is the first time she’s heard anybody seriously discussing the possibility of “someone (other than the terrorists)” having something to do with how WTC 7 came down, she probably hasn’t taken the time to think too critically about the technicalities of the building’s collapse. Glass flying into the building at the time of the impact of the second plane (more than 40 stories above, and more than a football field’s length away?) indicates (in the first place) a much less critical level of damage than would be required to cause the disintegration of a building’s structural supports, of course, and she obviously hasn’t looked into even the “official” time-frame of when the critical damage was said to have occurred — it wasn’t at the time of the impact of the second plane. Yet she says damage occurred at the time of the impact of the second plane. Given the second plane’s impact was so far away, I’m skeptical THAT would have caused glass to fly into her office (the A & E professionals would would probably be able to estimate better than I how far a shock-wave from a plane impacting a building would resonate, but I would guess, not that far)… I’m not doubting her word or her experience… just her interpretation of what happened to cause glass to come “flying in,” and her understanding that the very powerful impact of the plane so far away was what caused the “structural damage” to the building at that very point in time…