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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now we&#039;re on the same page. You seemed a bit certain for my taste. This post confirms for me that you aren&#039;t a troll and that we share common ground on this issue.

Sounds like you have close personal experience with this concern. I see why you have a distinct opinion and I certainly respect your awareness of basic scientific behavior. More rare than it should be in a movement that demands it.

To cut to the chase, your comments suggest that you may not be as familiar as others with the negative behavior or those who RUN CIT. Advocates off the table. In my opinion they are downright shady. I&#039;m some kind of an adept with non-verbal communication, writing included, and it makes me a bit of a human lie detector.

I don&#039;t let that ability pull my life apart as it could, but in this context it&#039;s in full effect. Craig Ranke is a fraud. Period. I&#039;m quite a bit more certain of that than my assumptions about 9/11. But, OF COURSE, don&#039;t take my word for it. Everything you need to know is on the Truth Action forum.

Speaking of which, I would like to encourage you to back off expression of certainty regarding the nature of the 9/11 attacks. If I were better educated I feel I could quickly convince you that the most scientific orientation is what I expressed above. We have a winning case for a cover up and well founded probable cause to suspect some kind of complicity at some level. (Keeping in mind that this has little resemblance to what I believe happened.)

In other words, the cover up should compel an investigation. That&#039;s LIHOP, gatekeeper talk to big tent folks. To me that&#039;s knowing what we&#039;ve got and who we are trying to reach. Marketing.

Finally, I&#039;d like to you honestly consider for just a moment that someone out there would like you focused on physical evidence more than documentary evidence. CD has legs. I&#039;m not denying it. But without the rest of the argument, CD is easy to marginalize.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now we&#8217;re on the same page. You seemed a bit certain for my taste. This post confirms for me that you aren&#8217;t a troll and that we share common ground on this issue.</p>
<p>Sounds like you have close personal experience with this concern. I see why you have a distinct opinion and I certainly respect your awareness of basic scientific behavior. More rare than it should be in a movement that demands it.</p>
<p>To cut to the chase, your comments suggest that you may not be as familiar as others with the negative behavior or those who RUN CIT. Advocates off the table. In my opinion they are downright shady. I&#8217;m some kind of an adept with non-verbal communication, writing included, and it makes me a bit of a human lie detector.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t let that ability pull my life apart as it could, but in this context it&#8217;s in full effect. Craig Ranke is a fraud. Period. I&#8217;m quite a bit more certain of that than my assumptions about 9/11. But, OF COURSE, don&#8217;t take my word for it. Everything you need to know is on the Truth Action forum.</p>
<p>Speaking of which, I would like to encourage you to back off expression of certainty regarding the nature of the 9/11 attacks. If I were better educated I feel I could quickly convince you that the most scientific orientation is what I expressed above. We have a winning case for a cover up and well founded probable cause to suspect some kind of complicity at some level. (Keeping in mind that this has little resemblance to what I believe happened.)</p>
<p>In other words, the cover up should compel an investigation. That&#8217;s LIHOP, gatekeeper talk to big tent folks. To me that&#8217;s knowing what we&#8217;ve got and who we are trying to reach. Marketing.</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;d like to you honestly consider for just a moment that someone out there would like you focused on physical evidence more than documentary evidence. CD has legs. I&#8217;m not denying it. But without the rest of the argument, CD is easy to marginalize.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos</title>
		<link>http://911truthnews.com/richard-gage-completely-withdraws-support-from-cit/#comment-305</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;From Peter Dale Scott:&lt;/i&gt;

Like Richard Gage, I too was impressed by CIT&#039;s assemblage of witnesses asserting an approach path of Flight 77 at odds with the official version, and said so. I have never believed that the 757 flew over the Pentagon, and have never stated that I did.

In the light of what Gage has learned about CIT&#039;s methods, I wish, like him, to withdraw my original endorsement of the CIT video.

Sincerely,

Peter Dale Scott]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>From Peter Dale Scott:</i></p>
<p>Like Richard Gage, I too was impressed by CIT&#8217;s assemblage of witnesses asserting an approach path of Flight 77 at odds with the official version, and said so. I have never believed that the 757 flew over the Pentagon, and have never stated that I did.</p>
<p>In the light of what Gage has learned about CIT&#8217;s methods, I wish, like him, to withdraw my original endorsement of the CIT video.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Peter Dale Scott</p>
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		<title>By: tonywicher</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, this is just a subjective impression based on a couple of interviews I watched. I think it&#039;s a good policy to presume the best of people, and let their actions speak for themselves. To me they seemed more like ambitious young guys out to make a name for themselves. They came up with a theory that has some plausibility and they are selling it. There have been many buyers, including my old friend, who is quite a savvy guy in many ways. My friend of 45 years is not a disinfo agent, and unlike CIT themselves has nothing to gain personally from the acceptance or rejection of the theory, and yet his passionate attachment to the CIT theory was so strong that he started to engage in some of the same sort of personal attacks against me and other CIT critics as CIT did. For a minute there he was looking at me like I had betrayed him or something. It&#039;s just amazing how strongly people become attached to theories. A true scientist is supposed to be objective, which means he is not attached to any theory. He is supposed to be able to restrain himself from all such attachments so as to ascertain what is true. The greatest scientists are those most able to exercise such restraint. But to become attached and lose one&#039;s objectivity is a human weakness we are all heir to. Based on watching those interviews, CIT&#039;s behavior has gone way over the top and I do support 9/11 Blogger&#039;s decision to ban them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is just a subjective impression based on a couple of interviews I watched. I think it&#8217;s a good policy to presume the best of people, and let their actions speak for themselves. To me they seemed more like ambitious young guys out to make a name for themselves. They came up with a theory that has some plausibility and they are selling it. There have been many buyers, including my old friend, who is quite a savvy guy in many ways. My friend of 45 years is not a disinfo agent, and unlike CIT themselves has nothing to gain personally from the acceptance or rejection of the theory, and yet his passionate attachment to the CIT theory was so strong that he started to engage in some of the same sort of personal attacks against me and other CIT critics as CIT did. For a minute there he was looking at me like I had betrayed him or something. It&#8217;s just amazing how strongly people become attached to theories. A true scientist is supposed to be objective, which means he is not attached to any theory. He is supposed to be able to restrain himself from all such attachments so as to ascertain what is true. The greatest scientists are those most able to exercise such restraint. But to become attached and lose one&#8217;s objectivity is a human weakness we are all heir to. Based on watching those interviews, CIT&#8217;s behavior has gone way over the top and I do support 9/11 Blogger&#8217;s decision to ban them.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I suspect that CIT is sincere but ego-driven.&quot;

I&#039;m curious about what behavior suggests that to you. I haven&#039;t found any of those I listed remotely sincere in their communication online or behavior toward other movement participants. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I suspect that CIT is sincere but ego-driven.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious about what behavior suggests that to you. I haven&#8217;t found any of those I listed remotely sincere in their communication online or behavior toward other movement participants. </p>
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		<title>By: tonywicher</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect that CIT is sincere but ego-driven. They want to make a name for themselves. Once ego takes over, truth goes out the window. I realize that CIT has engaged in personal attacks, which is again the result of ego, but I do think that we should not reply in kind. Probably as much as half of the 9/11 truth movement believes that no plane hit the Pentagon, and we will only put them off, not win them over, with personal attacks. Instead we should continue to publish objective articles such as Hoffman&#039;s that refute CIT with evidence and reason. CIT has never attempted to publish an article addressing Hoffmans&#039;s paper point by point, nor do I believe they have the necessary scientific ability to do so. Their personal attacks should be answered simply  by pointing out that they are personal attacks, not rational arguments, but this also should be done objectively and unemotionally, and not by responding in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that CIT is sincere but ego-driven. They want to make a name for themselves. Once ego takes over, truth goes out the window. I realize that CIT has engaged in personal attacks, which is again the result of ego, but I do think that we should not reply in kind. Probably as much as half of the 9/11 truth movement believes that no plane hit the Pentagon, and we will only put them off, not win them over, with personal attacks. Instead we should continue to publish objective articles such as Hoffman&#8217;s that refute CIT with evidence and reason. CIT has never attempted to publish an article addressing Hoffmans&#8217;s paper point by point, nor do I believe they have the necessary scientific ability to do so. Their personal attacks should be answered simply  by pointing out that they are personal attacks, not rational arguments, but this also should be done objectively and unemotionally, and not by responding in.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://911truthnews.com/richard-gage-completely-withdraws-support-from-cit/#comment-301</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 23:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate your respectful approach but I believe that you&#039;re a bit off base on a couple points.

I think we are all trying to be kind to those who have been fooled, as I believe your friend has been. After all, most of us have been fooled before. I thought the plane pods were fascinating for a couple weeks. Then I realized it was just crap. And, in fact, this movement is very specifically about reaching people who have been fooled. We do what we can not to insult them or push them away. And that can include playing along with people&#039;s assumptions in order to build a bridge. But that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s alright for them to believe in fallacies, otherwise we wouldn&#039;t be doing this.

&#039;Flyover&#039; is more convincing on it&#039;s face to many that plane pods. But it really is total fallacy. Gage lays that out very clearly. As many of us have been saying for years, their evidence actually directly contradicts their conclusion. That means your friend is wrong. And telling people they are wrong isn&#039;t disrespectful.

Another disagreement I have with your post is that while we may be respectful to those who have been fooled, those doing the fooling are NOT acting in good faith. That is far more clear to me than what I believe about what happened on 9/11. If you aren&#039;t familiar with all of the negative behavior, I encourage you not to ignore the many long-time movement participants who have been paying close attention and keeping track of it. And you should trust that none of us enjoy it or would be paying attention if we didn&#039;t think it was in the movement&#039;s best interest.

I have no respect for Ranke, Marquis, Ruff, or Syed as they very clearly have no respect for the truth. And, honestly, it&#039;s very easy to tell when someone is actually debating you or just pushing a line. I&#039;ve had direct contact with these people and they have NOT argued honestly. In addition they have now called me and others, such as the editors of this site, disinformation agents.

I&#039;m not going to try to peg them or their motives, but I know they have lied on a regular basis. And that&#039;s not something anyone involved in 9/11 truth should feel they need to compromise about or respect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your respectful approach but I believe that you&#8217;re a bit off base on a couple points.</p>
<p>I think we are all trying to be kind to those who have been fooled, as I believe your friend has been. After all, most of us have been fooled before. I thought the plane pods were fascinating for a couple weeks. Then I realized it was just crap. And, in fact, this movement is very specifically about reaching people who have been fooled. We do what we can not to insult them or push them away. And that can include playing along with people&#8217;s assumptions in order to build a bridge. But that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s alright for them to believe in fallacies, otherwise we wouldn&#8217;t be doing this.</p>
<p>&#8216;Flyover&#8217; is more convincing on it&#8217;s face to many that plane pods. But it really is total fallacy. Gage lays that out very clearly. As many of us have been saying for years, their evidence actually directly contradicts their conclusion. That means your friend is wrong. And telling people they are wrong isn&#8217;t disrespectful.</p>
<p>Another disagreement I have with your post is that while we may be respectful to those who have been fooled, those doing the fooling are NOT acting in good faith. That is far more clear to me than what I believe about what happened on 9/11. If you aren&#8217;t familiar with all of the negative behavior, I encourage you not to ignore the many long-time movement participants who have been paying close attention and keeping track of it. And you should trust that none of us enjoy it or would be paying attention if we didn&#8217;t think it was in the movement&#8217;s best interest.</p>
<p>I have no respect for Ranke, Marquis, Ruff, or Syed as they very clearly have no respect for the truth. And, honestly, it&#8217;s very easy to tell when someone is actually debating you or just pushing a line. I&#8217;ve had direct contact with these people and they have NOT argued honestly. In addition they have now called me and others, such as the editors of this site, disinformation agents.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to try to peg them or their motives, but I know they have lied on a regular basis. And that&#8217;s not something anyone involved in 9/11 truth should feel they need to compromise about or respect.</p>
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		<title>By: tonywicher</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 14:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I have expressed agreement with what has been called the &quot;scientific wing&quot; of the movement, I have no reason to suppose that CIT or those who support them are intentionally trying to discredit the movement. I have a very good personal friend who is as dedicated to 9/11 truth as I am and who fully supports the work of the scientists - Chandler, Ryan, etc - but who is equally convinced that the flyover theory is also correct. We are not going to lose our friendship over this but discussion has gotten pretty heated. As a person who has studied magic and illusion quite a bit, he just finds it genuinely persuasive. Let us do our best to avoid personal attacks.


I find the January 2011 article by Jim Hoffman http://911truthnews.com/the-pentagon-attack-what-the-physical-evidence-shows/ to be persuasive. For me, this analysis of the physical evidence outweighs CIT&#039;s eyewitness testimony. I&#039;m not saying CIT might not be right, but we cannot affort to bet our 9/11 credibility on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I have expressed agreement with what has been called the &#8220;scientific wing&#8221; of the movement, I have no reason to suppose that CIT or those who support them are intentionally trying to discredit the movement. I have a very good personal friend who is as dedicated to 9/11 truth as I am and who fully supports the work of the scientists &#8211; Chandler, Ryan, etc &#8211; but who is equally convinced that the flyover theory is also correct. We are not going to lose our friendship over this but discussion has gotten pretty heated. As a person who has studied magic and illusion quite a bit, he just finds it genuinely persuasive. Let us do our best to avoid personal attacks.</p>
<p>I find the January 2011 article by Jim Hoffman <a href="http://911truthnews.com/the-pentagon-attack-what-the-physical-evidence-shows/" rel="nofollow">http://911truthnews.com/the-pentagon-attack-what-the-physical-evidence-shows/</a> to be persuasive. For me, this analysis of the physical evidence outweighs CIT&#8217;s eyewitness testimony. I&#8217;m not saying CIT might not be right, but we cannot affort to bet our 9/11 credibility on it.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos</title>
		<link>http://911truthnews.com/richard-gage-completely-withdraws-support-from-cit/#comment-299</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 01:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://911truthnews.com/the-pentagon-attack-what-the-physical-evidence-shows/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Pentagon Attack: What The Physical Evidence Shows&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: Ford</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 21:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also agree with Richard and I encourage all CIT supporters, and new people to 9/11 Truth, to step back and review all of the available evidence and be wary of those who profit from &quot;Conspiracy Theories&quot; who, at the very least, have shown to have poor judgment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also agree with Richard and I encourage all CIT supporters, and new people to 9/11 Truth, to step back and review all of the available evidence and be wary of those who profit from &#8220;Conspiracy Theories&#8221; who, at the very least, have shown to have poor judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: tonywicher</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 14:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I quite agree with Richard. CIT&#039;s work does not meet scientific standards. It would be a grave error to rely on it. At first it was believed that there were independent grounds for thinking no plane hit the Pentagon, particularly the pictures showing no debris and those showing too small a hole for the plane to enter into the building. But since then pictures of debris, and better pictures of the damage to the building have come out, and so there is no physical evidence pointing to no plane hitting for CIT&#039;s flyover hypothesis to account for. I don&#039;t doubt CIT is sincere as are many of their supporters, but at this point I think their ambition to make a name for themselves has become more important than furthering the cause of 9/11 truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite agree with Richard. CIT&#8217;s work does not meet scientific standards. It would be a grave error to rely on it. At first it was believed that there were independent grounds for thinking no plane hit the Pentagon, particularly the pictures showing no debris and those showing too small a hole for the plane to enter into the building. But since then pictures of debris, and better pictures of the damage to the building have come out, and so there is no physical evidence pointing to no plane hitting for CIT&#8217;s flyover hypothesis to account for. I don&#8217;t doubt CIT is sincere as are many of their supporters, but at this point I think their ambition to make a name for themselves has become more important than furthering the cause of 9/11 truth.</p>
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