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		<title>By: cosmos</title>
		<link>http://911truthnews.com/stanley-fish-new-york-times-dismisses-truthers-and-avoids-911-facts/#comment-63</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s something fishy about Stanley.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something fishy about Stanley.</p>
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		<title>By: loose nuke</title>
		<link>http://911truthnews.com/stanley-fish-new-york-times-dismisses-truthers-and-avoids-911-facts/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[loose nuke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A small gathering of 50 or 60 people; roughly 95 percent white, 90 percent male, a few blond-haired kids, average age 45&quot;

The 9/11 truth movement demographics have always struck me as significant; other than this &quot;average age 45&quot;, this fits with what I&#039;ve seen at every protest I&#039;ve attended where there are truthers; every truther gathering/conference I&#039;ve been to; and all the pics I&#039;ve seen of protests and 9/11 truth events- while there are females and other races/age groups, it&#039;s overwhelmingly white males (disproportionately teen/young adult).

The anti-war/peace movements are mostly white, despite non-whites being more likely to understand the wars are for profit and control rather than justice and national security. The percentage of females involved is more even than in the 9/11 truth movement, and there is a more even mix of age groups- many people with their roots in the Vietnam protests, civil rights movement, Kennedy and King assassinations.

According to the available polling demographics, those who are female, young and/or non-white are more likely to be skeptical of the OCT than those who are male, older and/or white.
Zogby 2006: http://www.911truth.org/images/911TruthZogbyPollResults-FrequencyDistribution.pdf
Zogby 2007: http://www.911truth.org/images/ZogbyPoll2007.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A small gathering of 50 or 60 people; roughly 95 percent white, 90 percent male, a few blond-haired kids, average age 45&#8221;</p>
<p>The 9/11 truth movement demographics have always struck me as significant; other than this &#8220;average age 45&#8221;, this fits with what I&#8217;ve seen at every protest I&#8217;ve attended where there are truthers; every truther gathering/conference I&#8217;ve been to; and all the pics I&#8217;ve seen of protests and 9/11 truth events- while there are females and other races/age groups, it&#8217;s overwhelmingly white males (disproportionately teen/young adult).</p>
<p>The anti-war/peace movements are mostly white, despite non-whites being more likely to understand the wars are for profit and control rather than justice and national security. The percentage of females involved is more even than in the 9/11 truth movement, and there is a more even mix of age groups- many people with their roots in the Vietnam protests, civil rights movement, Kennedy and King assassinations.</p>
<p>According to the available polling demographics, those who are female, young and/or non-white are more likely to be skeptical of the OCT than those who are male, older and/or white.<br />
Zogby 2006: <a href="http://www.911truth.org/images/911TruthZogbyPollResults-FrequencyDistribution.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.911truth.org/images/911TruthZogbyPollResults-FrequencyDistribution.pdf</a><br />
Zogby 2007: <a href="http://www.911truth.org/images/ZogbyPoll2007.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.911truth.org/images/ZogbyPoll2007.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: loose nuke</title>
		<link>http://911truthnews.com/stanley-fish-new-york-times-dismisses-truthers-and-avoids-911-facts/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[loose nuke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;no plane hit the Pentagon, that Ted Olson did not receive a call from his wife, Barbara, shortly before she perished in the crash of Flight 77, that the anthrax scare was also a government hoax (although the anthrax was real and deadly), and that hurricane Katrina was the result of weather manipulation by racists or profiteers or both.&quot;

Is this the kind of BS that was being promoted at Hick&#039;s event? If so, it&#039;s understandable that someone could get a negative impression, and that they might dismiss all 9/11 skeptics by association. However, while that kind of uncritical thinking is common, it&#039;s irrational, and a &quot;professor of humanities and law&quot; ought to know better. He really has no questions about how and why 9/11 happened? He&#039;s really satisfied with the 9/11 Commission&#039;s report?

Perhaps Fish&#039;s oped is disinfo, perhaps he&#039;s just clueless- either way, it&#039;s understandable how he would rate space at the NY Times- The NY Times is the paper that repeatedly published Judy Miller&#039;s bogus reporting about WMD sourced from the same administration which then turned around and used it to sell Americans on bombing and invading Iraq; the paper which sat on the story about the Bush Administration&#039;s illegal spying on Americans, until after the 2004 election and until they were about to be scooped by their own reporter James Risen&#039;s book.

see these threads for more info on Hicks:

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6528&#038;highlight=sander+hicks
http://www.truthmove.org/forum/topic/640/page/2#post-2778

http://www.truthmove.org/forum/topic/640/page/2#post-9010]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;no plane hit the Pentagon, that Ted Olson did not receive a call from his wife, Barbara, shortly before she perished in the crash of Flight 77, that the anthrax scare was also a government hoax (although the anthrax was real and deadly), and that hurricane Katrina was the result of weather manipulation by racists or profiteers or both.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this the kind of BS that was being promoted at Hick&#8217;s event? If so, it&#8217;s understandable that someone could get a negative impression, and that they might dismiss all 9/11 skeptics by association. However, while that kind of uncritical thinking is common, it&#8217;s irrational, and a &#8220;professor of humanities and law&#8221; ought to know better. He really has no questions about how and why 9/11 happened? He&#8217;s really satisfied with the 9/11 Commission&#8217;s report?</p>
<p>Perhaps Fish&#8217;s oped is disinfo, perhaps he&#8217;s just clueless- either way, it&#8217;s understandable how he would rate space at the NY Times- The NY Times is the paper that repeatedly published Judy Miller&#8217;s bogus reporting about WMD sourced from the same administration which then turned around and used it to sell Americans on bombing and invading Iraq; the paper which sat on the story about the Bush Administration&#8217;s illegal spying on Americans, until after the 2004 election and until they were about to be scooped by their own reporter James Risen&#8217;s book.</p>
<p>see these threads for more info on Hicks:</p>
<p><a href="http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6528&#038;highlight=sander+hicks" rel="nofollow">http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6528&#038;highlight=sander+hicks</a><br />
<a href="http://www.truthmove.org/forum/topic/640/page/2#post-2778" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthmove.org/forum/topic/640/page/2#post-2778</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthmove.org/forum/topic/640/page/2#post-9010" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthmove.org/forum/topic/640/page/2#post-9010</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Gold</title>
		<link>http://911truthnews.com/stanley-fish-new-york-times-dismisses-truthers-and-avoids-911-facts/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Gold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imagine how happy the sentence, &quot;on this rock the house of the Truthers is built&quot; makes me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine how happy the sentence, &#8220;on this rock the house of the Truthers is built&#8221; makes me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kamen Fattorusso</title>
		<link>http://911truthnews.com/stanley-fish-new-york-times-dismisses-truthers-and-avoids-911-facts/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kamen Fattorusso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Tea Party? Minutemen? Birthers? No, “Truthers,” left-wing conspiracy theorists who believe (among other things) that 9/11 was an inside job, that no plane hit the Pentagon, that Ted Olson did not receive a call from his wife, Barbara, shortly before she perished in the crash of Flight 77, that the anthrax scare was also a government hoax (although the anthrax was real and deadly), and that hurricane Katrina was the result of weather manipulation by racists or profiteers or both.&quot;

This paragraph simply REEKS of discrediting by association. He&#039;s even talking about things that aren&#039;t related to 9/11 Truth at all. The whole article is disgusting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Tea Party? Minutemen? Birthers? No, “Truthers,” left-wing conspiracy theorists who believe (among other things) that 9/11 was an inside job, that no plane hit the Pentagon, that Ted Olson did not receive a call from his wife, Barbara, shortly before she perished in the crash of Flight 77, that the anthrax scare was also a government hoax (although the anthrax was real and deadly), and that hurricane Katrina was the result of weather manipulation by racists or profiteers or both.&#8221;</p>
<p>This paragraph simply REEKS of discrediting by association. He&#8217;s even talking about things that aren&#8217;t related to 9/11 Truth at all. The whole article is disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos</title>
		<link>http://911truthnews.com/stanley-fish-new-york-times-dismisses-truthers-and-avoids-911-facts/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Left-wing conspiracy theorists&quot;? Didn&#039;t they just get done telling us 9/11 truth was a right wing conspiracy theory? These knuckleheads need to get their marginalizing ad hominems straight. Or maybe just, you know, do some actual journalism instead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Left-wing conspiracy theorists&#8221;? Didn&#8217;t they just get done telling us 9/11 truth was a right wing conspiracy theory? These knuckleheads need to get their marginalizing ad hominems straight. Or maybe just, you know, do some actual journalism instead.</p>
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