Arguments Rage over 9/11: John Bursill vs. Mike King

September 5, 2011
Nearly 10 years on, many still argue who was really behind the 9/11 attacks….Ben Fordham investigates.

This excellent debate can be heard at 2GB, Sydney’s number 1 rated talk station
which has been broadcasting for over 80 years, part of Macquarie Radio Network,
hosted by 2GB’s show, “The Lounge“, or via upload to YouTube here ( Audio of Part I – Audio of Part II )

Sydney Live 3 till 6 is presented by Walkley award winning reporter Ben Fordham.

Who is host Ben Fordham?

Ben Fordham, Host of 2GB’s Sydney Live – 3 till 6, Ben
Fordham is a Walkley award winning reporter who still can’t believe he
gets paid to work in radio and television. Ben has called Channel Nine home
for the past decade, reporting from around the world on 60 Minutes, A Current
Affair, Nine News and Today Show. His stories have been broadcast internationally
on CNN, SKY and ABC AMERICA. … On radio, Ben has become a popular part-time
radio host on AM stations. His most recent stint was filling in for Steve Vizard
on the morning shift on Melbournes MTR. He’s also the Australian correspondent
for some overseas radio stations. Ben’s coming-of-age in journalism came
before he celebrated his 21st birthday. Then a political correspondent on Sydney
radio, Fordham won a Walkley Award — Australia’s top award in journalism
– for his coverage of the Thredbo landslide tragedy and a Raward – the top accolade
in the Australian radio industry – for excellence in journalism. He became the
youngest reporter in history to win a Walkley-Raward double and was honoured
on Australia Day with a Young Citizen of the Year award. (continued)

Who is Mike King?

I am trained in science but my day job for the last twenty years is in the
visual arts. In the material below I have attempted to check and double check
facts and calculations, but like all of us am prone to error. I would be delighted
to hear from anyone who would like to point out errors of data or calculation,
or errors in the flow of argument, and will be pleased to change the text and
give appropriate credit. New evidence will undoubtedly come to light over time,
and this may alter the known facts and the course of my arguments here or even
reverse them. So much the better: I call that good science.

Mr. King has published a paper, “Good Science and 9-11 Demolition Theories,”
at http://www.jnani.org/mrking/writings/911/king911.htm

Who is John Bursill? (http://visibility911.com/johnbursill/about-john-bursill/)

John Bursill (Born 1968) is a Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer based
in Sydney Australia working on Boeing Aircraft and is qualified in Avionics
(Elect/Inst/Radio) on the 767, 747 and 737 series aircraft. He is a family man
and involved with numerous community events and organisations. John has served
his country as a member of the Australian Army Reserve over many years and finished
up as acting Operations/Intelligence Sargent for 4/3 RNSWR. John considers himself
a true patriot of his country and a supporter of the US alliance in the sense
of us together supporting national security, freedom and justice throughout
the world.

His affiliations include:

Delegate: Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association
Member: Returned Serviceman’s League or Australia
Member: Amnesty International
Member: Lions International

John has been a serious 9/11 Truth Activist since 2006 when in January he viewed
“Loose Change — 2nd Edition” on the internet after a fellow
Aircraft Engineer he worked with expressed a concern that maybe one of those
crazy “conspiracy theories” might actually be true and suggested
he watch the film. John had a great struggle with the evidence presented in
this amateur documentary and was very keen to debunk it. Unfortunately even
though the film makers had made a few mistakes and allowed speculation to creep
into their production it was obvious that the “Official Conspiracy Theory”
was not true. Since then he is doing all that one man can to find the truth
and to inform the public of that truth to hopefully create interest in questioning
Australian and US foreign policy based on a 9/11 delusion.

John after many years of research is convinced that 9/11 was a psychological
operation designed to promote a war agenda spelt out by the Neo-Cons around
the Bush/Cheney Administration and specifically the “Project for the New American
Century” in their manifesto “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”. It seems to John
based on the evidence that 9/11 was perpetrated and/or covered up by elements
within the United States Government, the Military Industrial Security Complex
and with the assistance of individuals in the FBI and NIST (National Institute
of Science and Technology). It also is blatantly obvious that the “9/11 Commission”
was set up to fail as has been said by many of the commissioners and their chairmen
Keen and Hamilton; this is completely unacceptable and is a slap in the face
for the family members of the victims which include ten Australian’s families.

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As a long term 9/11 truth researcher, a former history teacher and someone who has worked in mental health, Bob has a unique perspective on society and its drives. In this interview Bob gives us an insight into how he sees the world and its workings and why 9/11 truth should be seen as possibly the best chance we have at bringing peace to our world. Bob believes that we may have already been successful at preventing other wars with our exposure of the 9/11 fraud; I totally agree.

Bob says he is “always ready to go!” when he is called to speak about the 9/11 tragedy and uses every opportunity to educate the population about the lies they have been told and to celebrate his son’s short but exceptional life. Thank you Bob for your tenacity, drive and absolute commitment to expose the criminals responsible for your son’s death and all those that perished on that terrible day. You are a great inspiration for us all!

About Bob: Bob McIlvaine is the father of Bobby McIlvaine, a victim of the 9/11 attacks. Bobby graduated from Princeton University and managed to get a job at Merrill Lynch as Assistant Vice President For Media Relations. He was also engaged to be married in 2002. On September 11, 2001, Bobby was on his way to a banking conference on the 106th floor of the World Trade Center North Tower and was killed as a result of what happened that day. From the evidence that Bob has gathered it is apparent he was killed by an explosion, likely in the lobby. Bob has been one of the most outspoken 9/11 family members with regards to seeking truth, accountability, and justice for what happened that day. He is one of the family members that attended every 9/11 Commission hearing and has attended numerous 9/11 truth conferences around the world. He has appeared in several TV, radio and newspaper interviews, as well as the documentary 9/11: Press For Truth.

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Interview by John Bursill.

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To many, the name Kevin Bracken is a new one in regards to 9/11 Truth. The reality is that Kevin has been a champion of the 9/11 Truth cause since 2006 by disseminating information throughout the Victorian Union Movement and the Maritime Workers Union of Australia. He has distributed DVDs, shown films and shared information regularly with his associates and the people of Melbourne and he achieved motions calling for a new investigation from both the Victorian Trades Hall Council where he is the President, and the Victorian branch of the Maritime Union of Australia of which he heads as Secretary. Kevin has also attended numerous conferences on 9/11 and has been the facilitator of such in Melbourne, Australia. Over the years Kevin and I have developed a close working relationship, both striving for the truth 9/11 to come out to bring end to the wars and to get our rights back that have been eroded since 9/11.

This is the motion passed on the 28th of March of 2008 at the Victorian Trades Hall Council:

“That this meeting of VTHC Executive Council calls for a thorough, independent enquiry into the tragic terrorist attacks of September 11.

The events of that day have been used to start pre-emptive wars “that will not end in our lifetime”. They have been used to attack civil liberties and legal principles that have been the cornerstone of civilized communities.

There is an urgent need to reassess the way we view the world after September 11 and we call for proper investigation into the events around that day.”

On the 20th of October 2010, Kevin was asked to ring into ABC 774 Mornings with Jon Faine although Faine disputes this. This was following an email that was sent to Faine by Kevin questioning 9/11 in the context of Australia’s ongoing support of the Afghanistan occupation. After the recent Australian Election, it was demanded by the Australian Greens in a “balance of power” deal that the Australian involvement in the Afghan War be debated in parliament in it’s first sitting. This debate had been going on this week and it was the first time any such debate had happened since 9/11, which is simply outrageous.

This interview by Faine was possibly the most biased ever heard in Australia on radio broadcast by the tax payer funded Australian Broadcasting Corporation. This attack by Faine of Bracken’s questioning the 9/11 events included a torrent of ad hominem slurs and an absolute refusal to discuss any evidence that the events were anything but what we have been told by our governments. A reasonable explanation of what happened and also with attached audio can be found here. This story titled “Trades Hall president Kevin Bracken Stands by his 9/11 Conspiracy” has been reported all around the world and included a poll which started off running at around 50/50 asking if Kevin’s questions about 9/11 were “reasonable” but has continued to move in his favor ending up at the time of writing these notes at 75% in favour of Bracken.

Kevin has received literally thousands of thank you’s from around the world for his brave stance for 9/11 Truth! Standing his ground even after being directly verbally bashed by the Prime Minister of Australia Julia Gillard saying he was “stupid and wrong” and having his own leadership comrades buckle at the knees if the face of unfounded ridicule. Rather than running for cover Kevin with his chin in the air has reiterated his position defying any to debate him on the issue! As usual all media presstitutes have refused, as there is obviously “no debate to have”. It seems that the vast majority of the public disagree and would like to see such a debate but none of the so called “journalists” dare to tread such a path.

Interesting to note that John Faine is now complaining that the ABC has been swamped by 9/11 activists and it may take the ABC many weeks to deal with the massive amount of complaints and comments they have received. Many of these I know to be formal as I have received many courtesy copies of the complaints to the ABC accusing them of breeching their charter and broadcast policy.

The battle for 9/11 Truth is far from over and as long as the fools in power maintain their policy of occupation of Afghanistan they will remain exposed and at risk of criminal prosecution due to the lies of 9/11. Lets hope it comes soon or they realize and stop the bloodshed.

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I will lay out below the non-conspiratorial reasons why it is vitally important that we continue to demand accountability from our governments about why it is they went to war on our behalf in 2001. I will also argue that I am correct to strongly assert that the pursuit of 9/11 truth and a criminal investigation of those events is the only practical path to peace today.

On the 11th of September 2001, the world entered a very dark chapter of its history. We were promised 100 years of war in this “New American Century” fighting “the terrorists” wherever the American Empire deemed they were, and at the time of their choosing. We were told that this “New Pearl Harbor” event carried out on 9/11 by the CIA born al Qaeda was a reasonable justification to carry out a preemptive strike against their supporters the Taliban, by the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan.

The vast majority of the world’s population and its governments rallied behind the US, determined to fight Islamic terrorism together world wide. Although some more skeptical commentators and governments were cautious with their support for this so called War on Terrorism, they found themselves intimidated into silence. For the Bush-Cheney administration and its powerful media supporters made it abundantly clear that “you are with us or you are with the terrorists”.

The newly elected (?) Bush administration and its Neo-Con agenda (Rebuilding America’s Defenses) went into full swing in the last few months of 2001 by the use of this powerful new catalyst of fear, 9/11. The American public was so angry and shocked by 9/11 that they were literally cheering for revenge and in full support of military retaliation. Innocently, and traumatized, they trusted the story they were told about 9/11 without evidence, and also trusted that George W. Bush would lead them to victory against the terrorists and capture Osama Bin Laden “dead or alive”. Still, for the Bush administration to be able to see their new “pre-emptive war doctrine” slide into position with an Afghan War, rather than being seen as a war crime, the US government had to give many assurances to the world and its governments. Assurances that evidence would be produced to prove their Bin Laden al-Qaeda “conspiracy theory” in a White Paper and that they would investigate how it was that the attacks happened. That this investigation would be the basis of their policy to stop such terrorism into the future. That they would without a doubt address their massive military and intelligence failures on 9/11 and make changes to prevent any further attacks.

They also made many hollow promises to the American people. They said they would look after the welfare of the 9/11 First Responders, who are still waiting for basic health care as they fall in the thousands to the effects of the toxic dust they were told was safe. They also said they would get to the bottom of the massive and unprecedented structural failures of the three WTC towers 1, 2 and 7. Those towers that fell that day at near or actual freefall speeds led to the death of 343 New York firefighters and thousands of civilians who never imagined the buildings would collapse at all. Today, a growing number of firefighters, engineers, architects, scientists and building professionals question these collapses as inconsistent with being caused by fire and aircraft damage alone. The collapse of building 7 (not hit by a plane) and the discovery of evidence of nano-thermite in the WTC dust being the clearest evidence that pre-planted explosives and incendiary charges within the buildings assisted in their destruction. Who did this and why and how is clearly needed to be investigated in a criminal court immediately.

Unfortunately, it is true and uncontroversial to state unequivocally that we, the public, have received none of what the US government assured us they would deliver. Rather we have seen in an unprecedented manner the most obvious and ruthless cover up and destruction of evidence and testimony around the events of 9/11. This lack of accountability is most starkly supported by the statement by the chairs of the 9/11 Commission Report, that “they were set up to fail” and that NIST, the National Institute of Science and Technology, is unable to explain many aspects of the building collapses. Some of the things they can not and will not explain include: the actual collapse sequence of the Twin Towers, the molten iron found at ground zero and the simply unbelievable “absolute” freefall of building 7 for over 100 feet of its fall. To this day, we the people of the world have no idea based on official “testable” reports of what really happened on 9/11. Who is responsible for those heinous crimes is a question that simply can not be answered without a criminal investigation. Secrecy is everywhere and truth, transparency and justice are nowhere to be seen.

The 9/11 Truth Movement worldwide have been demanding a new investigation of the events of September 11, 2001 for 9 years now and have continuously pointed out that we should withdraw the troops from Afghanistan immediately until we know who is responsible for the 9/11 attacks. The FBI still have not indicted Bin Laden for 9/11 as the say they have “no hard evidence” connecting him to those events. Disturbingly Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the so called “mastermind” of the 9/11 attacks, whose tortured testimony is the basis of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory in the 9/11 Commission Report remains un-charged to this day for those crimes.

Although much work has been done by citizen researchers to discover who may or may not have been involved with carrying out the 9/11 attacks, such endeavors are impossible to fulfill without subpoena power in a courtroom.

Recently two more Australians died in Afghanistan fighting a provably illegal war on behalf of the Australian government’s support for the War on Terrorism. This government support of the war is based on the the understanding that the 9/11 attacks were a direct result of the Taliban supporting and harboring the terrorists responsible for the crimes committed on 9/11. Remove this justification and there is absolutely no reason for any further support. This 9/11 war in Afghanistan has now taken 20 of Australia’s finest in the field, which is double the number of Australians that where killed on 9/11. How many innocent Afghans have died because of the invasion and occupation is anyone’s guess as the media and the military have little interest in finding out the true figures to date. Estimates put it at approximately 30,000 people, although it’s probably a much greater number.

The Australian 9/11 Truth Movement are determined to expose to the Australian people the facts that dispute the legitimacy of the official story of 9/11. They continue to demand that Australian troops be immediately removed from Afghanistan until 9/11 is properly investigated and evidence is produced to demonstrate Afghanistan is responsible in any way for those attacks.

It is clear from the simple facts that are on the public record that nine years on there is no mandate or excuse for the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan, and that 9/11 truth is the only practical path to peace today. Without exposing that the pretext to this war is simply not based in reality, the anger and hatred of the people who are ignorant of the facts will allow the bloodshed to continue.

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In this interview Bob talks about issues and ideas never before raised with him on air. This interview is a must listen!

Dr Robert M. Bowman is a former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations, and a former United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He holds a PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Cal Tech. He has been a long time peace activist (30+ years) and was directly involved in preventing nuclear war by exposing the crazies in the White House and in the Military Industrial Complex for the idiocy they represent. Bob has found himself fighting those same people today as part of the 9/11 Truth Movement.

In this interview we cover a lot of new ground and new approaches to 9/11 Truth. Bob talks to us about infiltrating the halls of power with our message within the existing two party structure and the ways we can achieve our goals. He also gives a look into past meetings and attempts to encourage the Peace Movement to realize the power of questioning 9/11.

As has been a theme since I stepped in for Michael as the show host, I ask Bob about some controversial issues that plague the 9/11 Truth Movement. Including the recent unsupported accusations blaming Israel as the mastermind of the 9/11 Attacks. Bowman has a strong view that US policy towards Israel needs to change and is acutely aware of the situation as a half Jewish man who wants peace in the Middle East.

Bob is calling for support of his massive Westcoast Tour this summer so please get involved and support this outstanding man on a mission to educate, stimulate and encourage the people to speak truth to power!
Contact: bob (at) thepatriots.us
Web Site: www.thepatriots.us

Some of the insights that a man of Bowman’s caliber can give us are simply so motivating and stimulating it can’t be overstated. We wish Bob all the best and we hope the American People get behind a man of such great wisdom and light in a dark, dark world!

Music by Jesse Goplen.
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