Australian Union President Questions 9/11, PM Responds

JULIA Gillard has dismissed as “stupid and wrong” a senior union official’s belief that the 9/11 attacks were a conspiracy but has refused to discipline him.
Kevin Bracken, the president of the Victorian Trades Hall and secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia, sparked anger this morning after claiming the attacks were not the result of terrorist activity.
“I believe the official story is a conspiracy theory that doesn’t stand up to scientific scrutiny,” Mr Bracken told ABC talk-back host Jon Faine.
“In my mind the buildings were imploded.”
Faine initially thought the call was a hoax.
“I challenge you to a public debate,” Mr Bracken said to Faine.
“Aviation fuel doesn’t get hot enough to melt steel and no high rise steel frame building before or after September 11 has ever collapsed due to fire.”
Faine described the claim as a “nutter theory”.
The Federal Opposition seized on the comments in Parliament today, with Victorian MP Josh Frydenberg asking Ms Gillard what action she would take against Mr Bracken “to send a message that such remarks are unacceptable”, The Australian reported.
“Obviously I don’t agree with the remarks, obviously they are stupid and wrong,” Ms Gillard said.
“The Labor Party is a large organisation, people join it as individuals – we don’t dictate what people think.”
After being accused by Liberal frontbencher Christopher Pyne of not answering the question on discipline, Ms Gillard said: “If it is the intention of the Leader of the Opposition to expel every member who says something stupid, I’ll start sending him a weekly list.”
In Victoria, Shadow Attorney General Robert Clarke said Mr Bracken’s comments were a direct insult to Australian soldiers serving in Afghanistan.
“It strikes at the very heart of the West’s struggle against terrorism and it is a disgrace that while Australian soldiers are serving and dying in Afghanistan that Mr Bracken make these wild claims that undermine the very reason for their presence in Afghanistan,” he said.
Mr Clarke called on Premier John Brumby to condemn these comments in the strongest possible terms and for the outspoken union leader to be disciplined.
“The Trades Hall Council needs to consider Mr Bracken’s future as its president and the MUA needs to consider his future as their secretary,” he said.
“These comments can’t stand they need to be condemned in the strongest possible terms.”
Trades Hall secretary Brian Boyd said Mr Bracken did not speak on behalf of the organisation.
“The official Trades Hall position is not to entertain that theory,” Mr Boyd said.
“We had almost 3000 working people killed in that terrorist attack. It was a terrorist attack, and we condemn it.”
Mr Boyd said Mr Bracken’s views had caused many debates behind the walls of Trade Hall.
“He is welcome to his views and we’ve discussed his theories,” he said.
“But I totally disagree.”
Mr Boyd said he stood by his colleague despite his extremist views.
“99 per cent of the time Kevin’s a very good president,” he said.
MUA national secretary Paddy Crumlin distanced the union from the comment, releasing a statement saying its position on the attack was “unambiguous”.
“The 9/11 tragedy was a result of a terrorist attack by international terrorists who claimed responsibility,” he said.
“It is the MUA’s position – one that I passionately support as national secretary – that this attack is one of the greatest affronts and abuses of human and civil rights in contemporary history.”
This is not the first time Mr Bracken has voiced his controversial opinions on the attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon.
In 2006 he told The Australian he believed the attacks only worked because the US Government was in some way involved.
“If they want to stop terrorism they’ve got to look at who was really behind September 11,” Mr Bracken said at the time.
“It couldn’t have happened unless there was participation from key elements of the American military and government and security services. I am not saying the whole lot were involved. But I believe the official story for September 11 doesn’t stack up.”
Mr Bracken said in 2006 his views on the terror laws and September 11 were his own, and he was not speaking on behalf of the union.
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The use of the backwards logic that it is an insult to those serving in Afghanistan (/Iraq), or to family members and survivors to question the official reasons given for going to war with those countries never fails to stun me.
Thank you, John, for letting us know we can respond to the article, and get in touch with Kevin B.!
Damn it Ahmedinejad… stop saying these… hey… waaaaait a minute.
“It couldn’t have happened unless there was participation from key elements of the American military and government and security services. I am not saying the whole lot were involved. But I believe the official story for September 11 doesn’t stack up.”
This guy has his head screwed on straight. His summary of the primary thrust of this movement is spot on. Of course we can expect this to get no mainstream attention.
I often wonder how much public support the movement can muster while still being dismissed with blatant stereotypes. Then again, we are seeing people call us crazy even when they do agree with our position, suggesting for instance that it’s reasonable to assume that they let it happen but that we are all still crazy.
The transparent fear and irrationality we see coming from mainstream pundits and media figures continues to demonstrate that we hold some truth worth avoiding.
Hello all,
For the record on the 28th of March 2008 the Victorian Trades Hall Council passed this motion after lengthy debate supporting a thorough and independent inquiry of the terrorist attacks on 9/11. From the minutes of the meeting on the 28th of March 2008;
“That this meeting of VTHC Executive Council calls for a thorough, independent enquiry into the tragic terrorist attacks of September 11.
The events of that day have been used to start pre-emptive wars “that will not end in our lifetime”. They have been used to attack civil liberties and legal principles that have been the cornerstone of civilized communities.
There is an urgent need to reassess the way we view the world after September 11 and we call for proper investigation into the events around that day.”
While I agree that they have not officially supported any theory around the events of 9/11 they do agree a new investigation is warranted!
It might be prudent to remind the VTHC and the media of this fact!
Victorian Trades Hall Council
Telephone: (03) 9659 3511
Fax: (03) 9663 2127
Email: hatkinson@vthc.org.au
Kind regards John Bursill – Australian 9/11 Truth Movement
John: I’m curious about whom the Victorian Trades Hall Council represents — would some of these members be architecture & engineering professionals? After reading this post, I wondered how this particular group came to speak out so early and knowledgably in favor of an independent investigation. Who are they?
Hello Marianna,
The VTHC assists in state wide union matters in Victoria, Australia’s second biggest state. The council represents all union’s within the state as required.
There definitely would be building professionals within the unions of Victoria but the idea of them pushing this issue to the unions would be unlikely, especially as it is highly controversial. It’s more the unions come to the VTHC for help. I hope that answers your question?
Kevin was exposed early on to LC2nd Edition and other films which he showed at the trades hall. He became known to me in late 2007 and he attended our first conference in 2008 just before he moved the motion at the Trades Hall Council. After seeing Dr Legge’s work, hearing Dr Bowman and meeting with MP Yukihisa Fujita he felt comfortable to push the agenda at the Trades Hall. This is my understanding.
Kevin and I are friends and we are in regular contact.
Regards John
Yes, this answers my question.
Thanks for the clarification, John.
Marianna
But now I have another question, John — probably you’re going to think I’m very naive — but what, actually does the Australian media have to gain by attempting to cut somebody like Bracken to shreds as they did in these two “call-ins” — or to lose by humoring him? I could understand why members of Parlaiment might do it — not doing so would bring into question their “alliance” with the US, and their military investment in Afghanistan– but the media? Is ABC State-owned, like BBC? (Is it owned by American media giants?) Is this treatment a standardized, uniformly agreed-upon, face-saving measure among media professionals, who (all) seem to have fallen under the spell of the official story from, well… day two or three… and now can’t find a way to “eat crow” about it without losing all credibility with their listeners/viewers? I remember somebody in the US Truth Movement (I think it was Richard Gage when he was over there for the Truth Conference last summer) being accosted by a female radio host (her rude behavior later called strongly into question by listeners, and she got all snide and defensive afterwards) — she used the same type of language, “nutter” language. This language, and these Austrailan put-downs, seem even more vicious than the treatment doled out to “Truthers” in the US by US talk-show personnel, who, granted, simply won’t entertain them… the more vicious, the more defensive, I think, but why? Why in Australia? Maybe I just don’t know enough about US/Australian relations.
Ach… I guess, at least, they’re letting Bracken have his say, which is farther than some speakers get in the US… This host seemed to go along with Bracken to the point of allowing him to have his say on nationwide radio, while bombasting like Oz against him the whole time… to protect himself & to “save face?” — is this what it is? I halfway think this is the case in the US at this point — that saving face has something to do with some media personalities’ slience (that, and fearing for their lives… the threat of death by anthrax).
Best, Marianna
Unionist demands right of reply over 9-11 conspiracy backlash
Kevin Bracken, the senior Victorian unionist who claims that the 2001 World Trade Center collapse was not caused by terrorists, called talkback again today to demand a right of reply.
Kevin Bracken made it clear that this time he was calling as a private individual, not as President of the Trades Hall Council and Secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia.
Yesterday Kevin Bracken called Jon Faine’s Mornings program claiming the official story of the 9/11 attacks ‘doesn’t stand up to scientific scrutiny’.
His comments attracted worldwide attention and earned rebuke from Prime Minister Gillard and the Secretary of the Trades Hall Council.
Today he attacked Jon Faine himself for dismissing his claims out-of-hand.
“Unfortunately cowards like yourself have set the political agenda in this country for too long,” said Kevin Bracken
He called Jon Faine a bully and challenged him to a debate on the issue.
Jon Faine refused the debate.
Kevin Bracken’s initial call was in response to the Parliamentary debate on the Afghanistan war.
“What we should be doing is calling for a proper investigation into the events of September 11,” says Kevin Bracken.
“I believe that the official story is a conspiracy theory, that doesn’t stand up to scientific scrutiny,” he says.
His comments were brought up in Federal Parliament during Question Time where the Prime Minister called them ‘stupid and wrong’.
http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2010/10/21/3044273.htm?site=melbourne
Kevin Bracken Demands Right of Reply by 9/11 Truth News
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